"What's the F***ing Point?" — ep 24 —April Lang on Staying Curious & Being Vegan for the Animals

We hear about "going plant-based" for health all the time — it's probably up there with the Keto Diet as the biggest dietary trend right now, and The Economist called 2019 the year of the vegan.

The environmental impact of eating meat and dairy has started to gain more traction in the media as well, with numerous recent studies agreeing that ditching animal products from your plate is the single biggest way to decrease your impact on the earth.

But if you're like I was until a couple years ago and don't happen to run in the same circles with many animal activists, there's not as much discussion in mainstream media about the animal rights side of veganism.

In this episode with my guest April Lang, we each share about why we decided to go vegan — not just with our diet, but also our overall lifestyle choices.

As I mention in the intro, it's very important to me that anyone listening knows that I am not judging them for their food choices. There is plenty I do on a regular basis that is "judgeworthy," but I certainly hope that others give me grace for the things I am still learning and working on. There are many different causes and issues to spend your limited time and energy on (animal activism being just one), and we need all stripes of people committed to all different kinds of social and environmental justice work to keep moving the planet in the right direction.

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About April Lang, LCSW, SEP

April is a psychotherapist in New York City, Certified Humane Education Specialist, and author of the book, Animal Persuasion: A Guide for Ethical Vegans & Animal Advocates in Managing Lief's Emotional Challenges. She also writes the column, "The Relational Vegan" for the online magazine La Fashionista Compassionista,and is a Certified Humane Education Specialist. In addition to working with ethical vegans in her private practice, she does couples counseling and helps individuals through life transitions, animal bereavement, and trauma. She also runs support groups for vegans and those who have lost an animal family member.

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Valerie Martin

Valerie Martin, LMSW, is a Primary Therapist at The Ranch residential treatment center, where she works with eating disorders, addiction, trauma, and co-occurring mental health issues. Valerie focuses on a holistic treatment approach of mind + body integration, using Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT), somatic and bioenergetic therapy, Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT), psychodrama, 12-step, and shame resilience. She is also a Certified Sexual Addiction Therapist (CSAT) Candidate. Valerie received her Bachelor of Science degree in Communications and Master of Science degree in Clinical Social Work at the University of Texas in Austin. She is an active member of the First Unitarian Universalist Church in Nashville, and emphasizes spiritual exploration in her work with clients.

What's the F***ing Point episode 23: PaQuita Pullen on Cultural Humility in Mental Health

I have love for folks of alllll Enneagram types for different reasons, but put 2 sevens together and WEEEEEE, you get one hell of an energetic conversation.

I first met PaQuita Pullen when we briefly overlapped working in residential mental health treatment, and she's now well on her way to getting her doctorate in Counselor Supervision and Education, while teaching yoga with YMCA and Small World Yoga and taking breaks to get her Marvel fix.

PaQuita is a pint-sized spitfire with a smile that lights up the whole damn room. She is not here to take anyone's shit— and yet, she is graceFULL and receptive to peoples' (at times less-than-sensitive) questions around race, leaning into opportunities to help others see their blind spots and gain greater cultural awareness. (Hell, she was kind and patient with my fumbling for "the right" words a few times during the interview.) She is exactly the kind of person you want helping counseling grad students navigate the sticky, important questions around racial and cultural humility.

In this interview, PaQuita and I go deep with these issues, including her dissertation focus around the misdiagnosis of depression in African American males, lack of representation in yoga, how her love for superheroes (#teammarvel) relates to her deeper passions, and a lot more.

A word on semantics (see what I did there?!): In our conversation, PaQuita uses the terms 'African American' and 'person of color' (POC); so while some other folks may prefer the term 'black,' I stick with her chosen terms in this description and in the interview to honor the identification and preferences of the INDIVIDUAL I'm talking with. #culturalhumility

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About PaQuita Pullen, MA

PaQuita is a Registered Yoga Instructor and currently completing her licensure as a Professional Counselor and doctorate in Counselor Education and Supervision. She is passionate about connectedness, authenticity and all things love. In addition to her counseling roles, she is working hard to further develop her yoga business, One Love Yoga Nashville, and plans to establish a private practice that primarily serves African American males experiencing mental health symptoms and issues within the 2019 calendar year. PaQuita aspires to be a trailblazer as a future counselor educator and supervisor in the betterment of mental health treatment and services for individuals of racial/ethnic identity.

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Valerie Martin

Valerie Martin, LMSW, is a Primary Therapist at The Ranch residential treatment center, where she works with eating disorders, addiction, trauma, and co-occurring mental health issues. Valerie focuses on a holistic treatment approach of mind + body integration, using Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT), somatic and bioenergetic therapy, Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT), psychodrama, 12-step, and shame resilience. She is also a Certified Sexual Addiction Therapist (CSAT) Candidate. Valerie received her Bachelor of Science degree in Communications and Master of Science degree in Clinical Social Work at the University of Texas in Austin. She is an active member of the First Unitarian Universalist Church in Nashville, and emphasizes spiritual exploration in her work with clients.